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General Boards => General National 12 chat => Topic started by: James Taylor on 05 Mar 2006, 07:16

Title: Dinghy Show
Post by: James Taylor on 05 Mar 2006, 07:16
So anyone go today hope there was lots of people around the 12's stand couldn't make it as was on call. :(

James N3304
Title: Re: Dinghy Show
Post by: sinker24 on 05 Mar 2006, 08:14
hi,
i spent a giddy 20 minutes around the 12 stand. i wish i could get my varnishwork that shiny. am still unconvinced about the carbon revolution, give me a wooden boat any day. the 12 stand was the best at the show and congrats to all who helped make it brilliant, it made my day and we nonw have another 12 convert at Seasalter. he is so interested that we want to try to build a cheshire cat design in the summer. is there anywhere i can get the designs?
Cheers, Ben
Title: Re: Dinghy Show
Post by: MikeDay on 05 Mar 2006, 08:54
The 12 stand at the show was superb - thanks to great work by Graham, Nigel and many others, not least the owners who prepared the five boats so beautifully.  We made a real impact and I spoke to around six people personally just on Saturday morning who are seriously considering converting to 12s.  

In answer to the previous post, you'll get Cheshire Cat's lines from Mike Jackson - it would be a very retro thing to do - but why not?

Mike D
N3496
Title: Re: Dinghy Show
Post by: barry (Guest) on 05 Mar 2006, 08:58
I agree the 12 stand was the best at the show and the boats looked really good.

Thanks to all on the stand for their time and enthusiasm, as a new older 12 owner I  got a lot of positive and useful information.  

Good video as well!
Title: Re: Dinghy Show
Post by: sinker24 on 05 Mar 2006, 08:59
hi mike,
was thinking of building the cheshire cat hull design with a buoyancy tank at the stern like the china doll design. any advice on amatuer building would be great.
cheers, Ben
Title: Re: Dinghy Show
Post by: DavidW on 05 Mar 2006, 11:53
If you take a look at the members area of the wbsite you'll find a very useful guide on amateur building. There are a number of association members with experience in building in wood and I'm sure that many would be delighted to give advice.

As for built in bouancy at the rear - rather than a tank as seen on Talisman you might do better to go for a shallower tank but which extends all the way to the side decks  - I've had one like that in a Final Chapter. It seemed to work very well in a capsize and had the advantage that it was less of an obstruction to the water trying to rush out of the transom flaps afterwards.

New Cheshire Cats - an interesting thought - a great design - I've had 2 and they were brilliant boats. The first followed on from my China Doll and the first time out was in a force 6 -7.  We flew and didn't capsize - she seemed much easier to keep upright than the Doll which I'm sure we'd have put in had sailed her on the day.

And yes - well done all those who put the stand together - I heard several comments that it was the best at the show and it certainly was in my opinion. The quality of boat preparation was  fantastic - brought back memories of many hours of sanding and varnishing over years gone by! The information boards and video were great. The enthusiasm for the Class  of all those on the stand couldn't fail to be noticed by the visitors.





Cheers

David
3481
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Title: Re: Dinghy Show
Post by: Nathan (Guest) on 06 Mar 2006, 09:17
Big thank you for everyone that helped at the dinghy show it was fantastic! Also thanks very much to graham and zoe for putting us up and feeting the hungry helpers.

Cheers Nath
Title: Re: Dinghy Show
Post by: sinker24 on 06 Mar 2006, 09:26
hi david,
i am thinking about putting in a rear tank similar to the ones on the old wooden hornets which not only keep the boat up but look beautiful. i think the curve of the tank might be complimentary to the overall design. the gidelines on the members area are brilliant. am unsure of what to call this developed design if i can indeed name it tho 'lost in chashire' does sound nice. could anyone tell me how to get in touch with Mike Jackson so i could get plans?
cheers, ben
Title: Re: Dinghy Show
Post by: John Murrell (Guest) on 06 Mar 2006, 10:23
Ben,

my only comments, for what they are worth is that built in tanks coming up to the sidedecks do make it hard to get far enough back on a screaming reach, but a good low back tank will give you space to get the backside over the transom - a serious consideration for sailing in places like Salcombe where flat water blasting happens. Also the low tank helps to stiffen up theback of the boat and stop it twisting. If you have a look at the pic of me sailing 3396 you will be amazed how much the hull bends...... This is one of the major benefit of double floors.

Good luck

John
Title: Re: Dinghy Show
Post by: Richard Pilgrim on 06 Mar 2006, 12:43
I thought the N12 stand was fabulous and was by far the best spectacle of the whole show. What particularly impressed me was the amount of preparation that had been done in advance - well done to Nigel, Graham and everyone else involved in that. It must have been a huge task to get things ready, and was much appreciated!

Richard
Title: Re: Dinghy Show
Post by: jon bradbury (Guest) on 06 Mar 2006, 04:07
hi

on the topic of the dinghy show i heard a rumour that i won the guess the weight competition .....is this true? and if it is how do i collect my prize!!!!!

cheers Jon
Title: Re: Dinghy Show
Post by: jammy dodger on 06 Mar 2006, 04:59
Well done to all of you who put in so much time and effort to make it all happen. The boats looked stunning and we certainly had a load of visitors when Thomas and I were helping o Saturday. If we get the picture pages back, I'll put a few up of the stand.
Simon
N3470
Title: Re: Dinghy Show
Post by: grazz on 06 Mar 2006, 10:39
Thanks to all the volunteers who helped make the show such a success. The hard work definitely paid off and here are some of the stats:


Next stop, Northampton. Can't wait!
Title: Re: Dinghy Show
Post by: DavidW on 06 Mar 2006, 11:38
What was the correct answer to the guess the weight competition?

Cheers

David ??)
Title: Re: Dinghy Show
Post by: BrianWhitmey on 07 Mar 2006, 12:59
Great show! Jackie and I thoroughly enjoyed ourselves. Well done and thanks to all who made it happen.

On the subject of building a new Cheshire Cat .... I am certain that there are dozens of old, unhappy Cheshire cats lying in deep puddles at sailing clubs across the country. Speaking as an amateur environmentalist who never likes to see good plywood go to waste, would rennovating an old one to 'as new' be en equally good/better bet? You could still do all the mods you want and I reckon it would be equally satisfying if a little messier when you're stripping all the old paint off.
Title: Re: Dinghy Show
Post by: THG on 07 Mar 2006, 04:31
Agree it was a great show.  How do we follow up / capitalise on the successes?  Are there any plans / targets for numbers of boats planning to take part at Northampton & Buton?  It would be great to see a minimum of 70 boats at each of these events.  How about starting a listing of whose going to which to try to encourage / support others.

If you advertise your boat at a good price it helps to get them moved on and sailing even if you think its worth more maybe time to lower the price if its been hanging around for a while.  Maybe the for sale list will be reduced and get the boats out on water.

Kean
N3339 (almost)
Title: Re: Dinghy Show
Post by: sinker24 on 07 Mar 2006, 05:19
have to argee with brian, would love to renovate another 12. finished my paper dart over the summer. however i wanted to put in a rear bouyancy tank into my design, curved like the old hornets used to be. however if anyone could put a nice cheshire cat or china doll my way to renovate, i wouldn't argue! the paper dart is a bit heavy due to lying in the club field for 5 years or so. a lighter boat would be appriciated by the crowd of people who have to helpme push my 12 over the wall after sailing. if there are any more clubless 12 owners in the south east it would be nice to get another one at Seasalter to race with and show up the local solos.
cheers, Ben
Title: Re: Dinghy Show
Post by: Antony (Guest) on 09 Mar 2006, 06:01
Title: Re: Dinghy Show
Post by: sinker24 on 09 Mar 2006, 07:44
thanks for your ideas.
if there is anyone out there who knows where there is an old cheshire cat or china doll design that is in dire straits could they get in touch with me? i would prefer to find one in Kent or Sussex but if there is any way that there is someone in a club further away from me who could bring one to kent that would be great.
Cheers, Ben
Title: Re: Dinghy Show
Post by: tom Gruitt/fotoboat (Guest) on 09 Mar 2006, 10:28
Hi there,

I have some good shots from the dinghy show of the 12's, who is in charge of publicity and pictures and stuff? Drop me an email and i will send them though.

Thanks & Best Wishes

Tom Gruitt
www.fotoboat.com
tom@fotoboat.com