National 12

General Boards => General National 12 chat => Topic started by: GarryR on 18 Mar 2010, 12:06

Title: A bit of vintage sleuthing
Post by: GarryR on 18 Mar 2010, 12:06
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Majestic-12-clinker-built_W0QQitemZ320503594520QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Sporting_Goods_Sailing_Boats_ET?hash=item4a9f80be18 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Majestic-12-clinker-built_W0QQitemZ320503594520QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Sporting_Goods_Sailing_Boats_ET?hash=item4a9f80be18)
Here is a sad sight and it looks like a National 12.  It has the hoop transom horse, is missing the stern deck and has a hefty centreplate by the look of it.  It is unribbed.  Any of the vintage people recognise the design?  I am not the seller I hasten to add.  At the price and condition I am not that optimistic and would be too embarrassed to let a boat slip away like that.  The trolley looks a cracker too!!
Title: Re: A bit of vintage sleuthing
Post by: paul turner on 18 Mar 2010, 12:46
I have called the mobile in the advert, left a message and await a reply! I will post any info I get - but boat and trolley do look in a bit of state! And £50 does look a bit optimistic....... P :K)
Title: Re: A bit of vintage sleuthing
Post by: martin 1262 on 18 Mar 2010, 12:49
and bid at your peril, given a -2 feedback rating!!!!!:-/
Title: Re: A bit of vintage sleuthing
Post by: Roly Mo on 18 Mar 2010, 01:11
that trolley is in a similar state to one we saw sell for £65 at a North West Norfolk boat jumble - and the lady was utterly thrilled with her purchase! 
RM
Title: Re: A bit of vintage sleuthing
Post by: FuzzyDuck on 18 Mar 2010, 01:44
Now thats what I call a project!
Title: Re: A bit of vintage sleuthing
Post by: chalky on 18 Mar 2010, 05:47
http://www.flickr.com/photos/86184903@N00/3442126519/in/set-72157617057847916/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/86184903@N00/3442126519/in/set-72157617057847916/)
 
This is a real project. Waterwitch was designed by Uffa Fox and is looking for a new owner prepared to rebuild a piece of history....
Title: Re: A bit of vintage sleuthing
Post by: Tim Gatti on 18 Mar 2010, 11:07
Interesting that the seller has called it a 'Majestic Twelve' and then described it as being only  10ft long in the ad.
Perhaps it shrank when it dried out?
Title: Re: A bit of vintage sleuthing
Post by: paul turner on 19 Mar 2010, 08:16
I have now spoken with the seller who was asked to dispose of the hull as a "charitable act" to avoid a bonfire. The boat is apparently N1380  - per the database "Sally" original name "Bubbles II", a Proctor Mark 6 built 1956. She appears to be a ribbed boat, but has 3 holes in the floor having been left on the ground; the foredeck also needs some work! No mast or boom but there are some sails and the centreboard is shown in the photos. Seller now aware that £50 is perhaps rather optimistic! I will bid £5 and rescue said yot as it is local to me and put it in one of our barns to dry out if anyone in the ribby section would like a project. RSVP soonest to me please. Paul :K) 07710 324 800
Title: Re: A bit of vintage sleuthing
Post by: NTOACertification on 19 Mar 2010, 08:37
It is probable that this boat being a Mark6 vintage 1956 will not be a ribbed boat but Glued Clinker. I think that there is a strong likelyhood that all the glue joints would be suspect.
 
Kevan Certification
Title: Re: A bit of vintage sleuthing
Post by: johnk on 19 Mar 2010, 10:22
According to the database N 1380 was a Wyche and Coppock boat. They used Aerodux IIRC. This glue is much longer lasting than Aerolite or Cascamite so it is quite possible that the glued joints are OK.
Title: Re: A bit of vintage sleuthing
Post by: FuzzyDuck on 19 Mar 2010, 03:06
Cascamite...... now theres a name to bring back memories of O level woodwork. happy days
Title: Re: A bit of vintage sleuthing
Post by: paul turner on 22 Mar 2010, 08:20
Still no bids on eBay; perhaps there will be a last minute rush!?
I have emailed Mike Nokes to confirm about the glue, but it may have been built before his time there (although he is reported to be writing a history of W&C)
P :K)