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#16
Boats / Re: N1851 Yer Tiz
21 Feb 2010, 06:27
A picture of the deck removed (roughly) - i it took it just before Christmas. I managed to strip a plank back to bare wood today which was the most progress I've made since Dec due to the weather.
#17
If i had about £2k to spend N3398 would be my choice but I'd have to change the name back to Charlotte Sometimes... For irrational emotional reasons I'd also be tempted by 3162 just because of it featured on the front cover of the december 1990 edition of Y&Y and that photo made me want a 12. 
Design 8s are great all rounders and would be a good choice for estuary sailing at that sort of weight (IMO). A baggy would also be good but in my experience a little bit hard to sail well the D8 lets you get away with things without stopping. 
Ben 
N1851 (currently in bits in the garage) 
(previously 3077, 3003, 2868, 3385 and sailed a few more).
#18
From personal experience - certainly avoid getting resin on those nice retro scales you were bought by your sister in law as a wedding present!!
Weighing epoxy is much better or syringes are good for smaller quanties - but again they gum up.
Ben
 
 
 
#19
Try these chaps in Bristol. They do small quantities of all sorts of species and cut it to size for you http://www.robbins.co.uk/marine 
Ben
#20
I've ordered the plane in the background. Or is it part of a new rudder development?
#21
Boats / Re: N1851 Yer Tiz
05 Dec 2009, 05:15
Poor old Yer Tiz - Today I turned her over to remove the screws that hold the plate case in and found that it had been attached with steel screws 99% of which have completely rusted. On top of that there's lots of rot all along the join between the keel and hog.  I have taken the decision to take the keel off like Brian / Ed have done with Water Nymph. This will allow me to work out how bad the hog is and hopefully repair it. Perhaps my target of sailing YT next spring is now looking optimistic but hopefully it will be worth all the effort!
#22
Broz - How much faster are the winged boats is an interesting question.  I don't have any experience sailing N12s (with wings) but I have sailed in another class that has winged rudders and I think they provide a very significant advantage upwind. They are able to plane earlier and then point higher than non winged boats.  This was at the time of a change in sail plan in that particular class and I would say, albeit with no science to back up my view, that the winged rudders probably added more to the speed than the rig change. Of course twelves are very different boats and sail in a different mode for the majority of the time. But at the very light wind 05/06 (?) champs we had one of three 'new rules boats' and had some success at the front of the fleet early in the week. Without wanting to sound cocky we were very fast on the water but we were sailing a N12 based boat rather more suited to F2s than the normal coffin shaped boats and did have more sail than most. Mid way through the week our main competition put on his winged rudder that he had been playing with at his club. After that we couldn't touch him for speed up wind and or pointing. All in very similar conditions as earlier in the week. I'd like to blame alcohol for a deterioration in performance but we had a dry week! Its worth also noting that third place was taken by a 97 rule boat with a winged rudder and for the majority of the week they were right up there.
My conclusion in that class was that winged rudders are very fast... Until you sail through a patch of weed.
So that might raise the 'arms race' question but it is really not that difficult to retro fit wings / foils whatever you want to call them and if you like playing with glue and things you should be able to do it for the cost of a few nights out. Though Im not sure I'll bother with one for N1851! 
I agree also with John's comments they are fairly easy to set up and you can 'feel' and see when they are working. If i was doing it i would avoid twisty extension based systems ( seen on cherubs, moths etc) and go for a rope adjustment system. 
It would be interesting there were some pictures of what people have done in twelves.  
Not sure my post adds anything much but I have managed to put off the washing up for 15 mins..
#23
Boats / Re: N2925 Free Fall
14 Nov 2009, 11:30
On Ebay Item number 250530466191
Certainly in need of TLC
#24
Boats / Re: N1851 Yer Tiz
08 Nov 2009, 07:22
Today's update - very disappointed to find quite a bit of rot in the hog and keel near the transom.  The bottom of the transom is not too great either - you can just see the area covered in mirco ballons in the last picture but it goes right the way across to the opposite transom flap. Should be able to cut it out carefully and replace with new wood.
Time to get the 'real' power tools out.
#25
Good news (for me) the vast majority of rippling does appear to be cosmetic and just the top veneer - there are three patches that will require more dramatic action when the time comes and Tims photos will be useful then.
 
#26
Gulp! followed by sharp intake of breath through gritted teeth. I'll get the chisel out and report back...
Fantastic photos though Tim what a great looking boat. If I can get anywhere near that standard of 'end result' I will be very chuffed.
 
#27
I've added some photos on the database section under 1851.
Any views on resolving delamination issues like this? Theres a few patches like this.
  
  
 
#28
Boats / Re: N1851 Yer Tiz
28 Oct 2009, 09:28
Hopefully some pictures!
#29
Thanks Tim
Thats really great as I have some how managed to miss the pictures of 1833 going up on the database but they will be a useful reference. Will try and post some photos tonight.
A chainsaw does sound a bit 'aggressive' but then I use to think that about angle grinders a few years back. I'm still not sure I'd trust myself with a chainsaw though...
#30
Fuzzyduck 
I was thinking about that option as the current case is solid wood (metal plate) and I thought that it would be fairly easy to make  thinner replacement case out of an alternative material i.e. ply which would allow a thicker wooden board. My only issue which I havent really thought through yet is whether making the slot wider would end up requiring changes to the keel band also. I haven't looked at it with that in mind yet - thats a job for the weekend - but even if it did it shouldn't be too challenging.
So many possibilities!