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I've got fed up with my speeling mistook and now I've got a boat it's time for a change.

I have just bought Red Wind and she is in my front garden for a few spots of varnish before I take her down to Desborough.

Michael, you're right - the block doesn't really do anything you could just tie the downhaul onto the becket. if you prefer.
It may help to relieve the stress in the rope a bit ...
 
dan

I was just looking at this example on a British Moth with a single line using a knotted eye around a single block to do what you suggest.
http://bmba.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=tobuy&action=display&thread=216
 

Thanks for your helpfull suggestions.
Mr B, no 568 is waiting for the weather to improve - I found a bit of wet inside the rear tank and want it to be thoroughly dried out before I slap a load of paint over the inside.
I see you weren't put off by my speeling mistook.

I've been looking for a 12 for a few months now and I've come across a few that don't come with trailer or trolley.
How can I decide whether the trailer that I have would be suitable?  I have two trailers - both old and of unknown origin. One I think might have been used for a Firefly. Currently both are used variously with a Mirror and a British Moth.
Does it make much difference which 12 design?
The trailer question is probably more important as I don't want to drive up to collect and find that the boat wont fit.
thanks
dan

Spotted on Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/National-12-Vintage-Sailing-Dinghy-N2156_W0QQitemZ190367942762QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Sporting_Goods_Sailing_Boats_ET?hash=item2c52d0486a

I thought that I'd start a new thread as I'm moving away from the idea of a vintage 12 - although it still has a strange appeal.

Where abouts are you sam293? The blurb says that Baggy Trousers are not terribly good river boats - although I don't always let that put me off.

I'm still looking for a 12 as I have recently joined Desborough SC where this is a popular class. It is a river club with associated fluky winds and resticted waters.

I've been looking at this site for a few months. The local fleet is mainly AC boats with a couple of vintage designs.
The boat will be for me to sail with my son, or my wife and son when either feels confident enough. We are all fairly light (less than 20 stone combined weight).
I'm looking at this stage for a fairly stable design.
I would prefer a "plastic" boat to reduce the maintenance.
My budget is up to £1000.
So far my browsing on various internet sites has turned up several options in my price range and at a reasonable distance - all wooden:

a Cheshire Cat in Kent £700
1702 - a Vintage Mark 8 in Essex £550
3482 - a wooden Man'O'War  £900
2692 - a Whisper 4 £800

Would any of these be good or particularly bad for my conditions?
Does anybody know anything about these particular boats?

Would I be better off waiting and saving up for something like a Design 8? (approx £1700)

Any other designs to look out for?
What is the expected price of different designs second hand?
thanks

Dan

I don't think that I will be doing much on the circuit for the while, just enjoying club racing with wife and sons.
I've been told that I can't have more than three.
I'm investigating a Mark 10 in Scotland at the moment that seems to be quite cheap - transport may be the killer in the end. Also the risk of buying an old wooden boat unseen.

I like the look of the vintage boats, but they may not suit my oldest sons competetive nature.

I think that my budget (£500) will probably restrict me to a wooden or older plastic boat.
I'll keep my eye out over the winter but at the moment they all seem to be vintage designs

Chadders, that raises another issue - what is the cost and availablilty of masts, sails etc. I've seen a couple of boats for sailing missing some or all of these. It really destroys the economics buying a boat for peanuts and then having to buy lots of other bits.

Thanks Ian. The numbers are very usefull. Currently all 12s use 1092 and there is no distinction on age. The lag for 1104 is about 30 seconds in an hour but for 1145 it is 2 1/2 minutes

As my main reason for looking into 12s is to be able to enjoy class racing with my son I shall keep looking, although I think that some of the vintage designs are rather pretty.

Looking through the Desborough boat list the designs regularly sailed are Pipedream, Design8, Tigress and Crusader. There are also Paper Dart, MicroClipper and Cheshire Cat that are less often used. There is one Holt clinker design.
The sailing conditions are generally light winds.
I'm looking for a boat that is suitable for a light weight crews - although I suspect that this is not the over rifing consideration given the usual wind. Something fairly stable as I hope my wife and son will both enjoy sailing her. It would also be nice to have a boat that can be used for cruising on occasions.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sailing-Dynghy-built-by-Aln-Boatyard_W0QQitemZ330377630308QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_3?hash=item4cec0a9264
no mast or sails but if anybody wants to follow it up for the records ...
I asked the seller and it has 1858 by the centreboard

When I spoke about this at the club they said that the boats could be handicapped differently but the club didn't currently apply this. It does seem to work against my original choice to join the class racing.
How different is the handicap? The PN is 1092 but I don't know whether this is adjusted locally in handicap races. What is the suggested vintage PN?