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Saw Tom's bpuncing kitten today, they have done a great job so far.

Andy

Ted
Yes a bit of both, the original DCB really has no shear line forward, which was apparently very difficult to measure, and there was one small modification to allow it to do so, but still needs a lot of imagination. The rolled effect was also difficult and expensive to build, so decision was made to go for a clam shell hull deck moulding, for ease of build and cost. We are also hoping it might make the boat a little drier for the crews, as it was felt that would be as important as any saving on windage. I also like the look of the deck cut outs, to allow traditional rope arrangement for the shrouds and lowers, I felt that the rope running round the back on the Carbon Composite boat was an additional complication, although it did work ok on Jo's boat.
Andy

Just got my new number through.
Andy

jez, does not look likely for me, hope to be on the water around that date, but may be too early

Andy

There are a couple of decent boats that have been on the market for a while now, that must be worth a punt.

Andy

Michael
Planning late March, but you never know with new boats.

Andy

I am entered, seems about time the list was updated.

Andy
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You ought to be alright by burton week simon. We normally let people back to sports at 12 weeks, and thats more demanding things than a 12. Especially if there is a significant piece of bone, which it sounds like, which heal quicker. It will be stiff and sore for some time though.
Andy

Very Shiny Michael.
Interesting go faster stripes as well.
Is it your boat thats going to be on show at Ali Pally?

Andy
ps the 4th bouncing kitten from beer is heading my way 
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Michael
You already know my opinion on ease of use. When we set Jo's boat up on the shore, the blade was effectively raked forward, and i think the tip was under the boat. The wings are actually higher up the foil, so don't move forward/back much. One of the best things about jo's system is the adjustability, he had obviously spent a lot of time getting it right, there were at least two modifications to the front of the blade, and the carbon stopper on the piston. Since we dont know the best angle of attack adjustability is going to be key. The big problem with the other rudder was that we could not rake it far enough forward on the foolish, and it did not look an easy mod to do it, where as adding or removing a bit of carbon, as jo ad done to the piston or the rudder seemed to be simple. 
The way I see the issue with the winged rudder is getting this angle right, too little, and you only have drag, it did not even effect the trim at all on the foolish in that set up. What we did not get to know was if this was just set up, or boat shape. The manufacture of these blades is going to be critical, for two rudders from same builder, the pitch of the blades seemed quite different, but also very difficult to measure.
Andy
Andy

I think they are being short sighted here, I love the odd event where there are lots of short races, the fireflys and rs's hae short course champs which is supposed to be an excellent format.
The wright up suggests what a lottery the triple points for last race can be, the two main protagonists sailed into a hole, and it became a lottery, triple points seems too much of a bias on one race.
The protest thing I can only see as a retrograde step, umpires are there to make us sail to the rules, and having been on the end of some bad behavior in various classes, I have always enjoyed sailing with umpires. And a disqualification for the protestor is very harsh, and just a recipe for he shouts loudest on the water, I wonder how this sits with ISAF. Propulsion rules protests should also be allowed from the race comittee.
As far as their concern about putting the fun back into sailing, they should just get a 12, and sail with a crew, always knew these single handers were boring. and its even uglier than a 1970's lark.

Andy

Michael
Unless you take it off the boom it will be a nightmare. Its not the tiller extension s that get in the way, its the fact that the crew needs to often be just where the centre main comes down to. Although the DCB has some control by from the rudder, so seems to not need as much crew movement fore and aft, the boat is still only 12 feet long, and as you will see from all the pics of Joe at the nationals, they are often well behind the thwart. Joe tried the centre main option and got rid. The other possible way of doing it is to lead it from the back along the floor, I think Rich Perkins tried this. There may be too much in the way given rudder control in a DCB.
I agonised over this when returning to twelve sailing, and decided that re learning the rear mainsheet was by far the best option.

Andy

Popeye
If you want to go the new route, you have a few optiions, Rondar have put together a good looking package with the paradigm 2, which has shown good potential over the last 2 years, with a Burton Cup win. For a Foolish, I would either suggest Toms boat, or taliking to Aardvark who have a mould, unless you can find several like minded people, Ovingtons unlikely to build you a single hull. Aardvark have a few other options too. The Foolish is probably still the best all round boat at the moment that has been built in significant numbers. The Numinous mould is out there to be used, but it would either mean a self build, or finding a builder. The design we are all talking about at the moment is the Dead CAt Bounce, the prototype has been extremely quick with its foiled rudder, and trim tabbed centre board. The mould is on the isle of white, but a hull from composite craft is very pricey. Tom at P&B is looking to put a package together, if he can get the mould, I believe there is currently one being moulded at CC at the moment, so a few of us are waiting to see which way to jump. Having sailed the DCB on a river in almost no wind, i would suggest it is best suited to open water, but it may have been my lack of skill. The one thing to consider is the winged rudder, This will certainly require a change of car for me unless i can come up with a transport box for the thing, though roof down may be the best way to go.
My suggestion would be a foolish as your first point of call, get used to it, then consider something a bit more radical later. I am still not sure I made the right choice in selling mine, though the guy who bought it tells me it was a great decision.

Andy Mck
ex 2923, 2947, 3162 and 3466
soon 35??

Hi Tom

You may get a quicker response if you can say what needs doing. I doubt you would need to get the boat completely remeasured unless you have made significant changes to the hull. It will have had a certificate at some point, Janet Bloor or Michael Brookman will be able to give you advice on that. I suspect all you really need is a weight, unless you have been very busy. Having spoken to some more senior members of the class, regarding sams post on the boat database, which was not the correct forum, it is unlikely that you will have a problem.

Andy

She told me not to use superglue!