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3384 was originally built by Nigel Waller for Lesley Ross, a previous double championship winner.  Lesley fitted the boat out himself, with a lot of help from Jeff O'Neil at the Welsh Harp Boat Centre (ie we all suspect that Jeff did it).

I bought the boat after about a year, and sailed it from 1994 until I bought my new Foolish in 1998 in the main crewed by my little sister.  Lots of happy memories, it was pretty much the first 12 I ever won anything in!  Almost the first time we raced it was to win Boxing Day at RHYC, that must have been in 1993.

The boat is now (2007) happily living in the North!

Antony

You already have my email, and know I am interested.

Meds makes an important point, that with our custom built boats it is not safe to assume that you can place and order and get a boat 12 weeks later.  I started the process with N3484 in October and put her on the water the following July, and in my case very little actually went wrong there were just a few delays (and we did start with commissioning a new design!).

Antony
N3484

Rick,
Something like that has been done before.  Pretty tough to make it work and weigh a sensible amount, as the last pioneer found.
Antony

Just a reminder that the Easter event is Saturday thru' Monday, but with only 4 of the 6 to count you can qualify in only two days.

Racing is a bit earlier than usual, with the first class starting at 12.00 on Saturday and 11.30 on Sunday and Monday.

If you have any questions call me or email me,
Antony

Sam,
All that practice has got the two of you keen.  

Your observations are pretty much, in my view, the consensus view and indeed my own.  The only unhelpful point that I would make is that they are based on very distorted observation of who sails the various designs.  I think that if Graham and Zoe sailed a P&B Foolish they would still be pretty devastating in the very light stuff, and if Tom and Liz took a Numimous for a sail they would still be pretty much at the front of the fleet in most conditions.  Does any of this help, not much!  

To be honest geting hold of a new boat to your chosen shape and specification is hard at the moment which ever shape you aim for, if you need to talk about the process give me a call or drop me an email.

From my observations from the shore on Saturday the design was not key to who fell in when, the force 7 gusts were more important.

Antony

If they have a VMG function then they are an aid to performance, hence we do not allow them.  Obviously in yachts they are allowed and used for this purpose so pretty easy to see both sides of the argument.

One to dicsuss again at some point at an AGM I guess, but personally I am pretty happy with the existing rules.  The class wrote the current rule expressly to allow the Tactic without permitting any VMG calculator (as i recall).

Antony

Caroline is not the only one looking, I have a little list.

Let me know if there are two of you out there, or for some reason you cannot face going sailing with Caroline!


Antony

Stevie,
It is possible that I have confused myself, and or others, in what I wrote above.  My excuse, if i need one,  is that I was not party to the preperation of this rule change as it was before I returned to the committee.  I think that the answer to your question, as John Murrell suggests, is in the note to the relevant rule (11.3.6).  

See:
http://www.national12.org/downloads/n12_class_rules.pdf

or:
Rule 11.3.6 Shall apply to sails first measured on or after 1st January 2007. Sails first measured before this date shall conform to the rules then in force, unless the Owner wishes to apply Rule 11.3.6 herein.

Antony
N3484

Still some crew shortages around including Easter.
A

Jo and I will be there. No kids so we will be free to drink and participate in whatever social my sister invents in the next 3 days.  Staying at the Reservoir View, see above.

Antony

Rick,
In any case whoever measures your new sails can simply write in the new cross-heights on your certificate, there is no need to re-measure anything it will simply bring your certificate up to the new rules.  The only problem would have come if the new rule had meant that your old sails did not fit, and that is what we hvae been careful to avoid.
A

Finally understand your point!  Yes, it might well be, but as long as your foot and luff measurements are consistent and the sails is within the new permitted cross-heights for those then it is fine.  We are not going to re-issue all of the certificates in one year.

Before you ask where the new cross-height tables are, I am not sure if they are on this site yet.

Antony

Rick,
No, wrong.  You can make another sail to your same luff and foot lenghts, but with slightly more area in the 3/4 height than your current sail.  

I have ordered a new suit and have no intention of changing anything.  I have to admit that I do not know if Tom (who has sails to the new measurement) has changed his certificate but I do not think that he has.

Antony

Rick,
You are right, but in practice I am 100% certain that your sails will fit in to the new cross-widths with no change to your certificate.  

The rule change took area from the 1/4 height that sailmakers could not even use (so your sails were well inside your maximum there) and put it at the 3/4 height (where you were previously pretty close to your maximum but will now have some space).  People with better knowledge and understanding then me wrote the rule confident that this was the case for all sails made in recent years.  The rule was proposed by our two main sailmakers (Tom Stewart and Kevan Bloor).

Antony

Rick,
There is no need to change anything.  When you buy a new set you might want to have a conversation with your sailmaker about whether there is any point changing the foot length.

Antony