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hi Dave - nice bit of historical information Cheers. They are beautifully made boats are they not. I'm just on re-gluing the deck around the mast gate having stripped the deck back to the bare wood ( I've only had it six days!) . The point I was keen to get to understand was that the sails which were clearly got second hand for it are VERY short on the luff and can only have come from a boat with a much shorter mast, The mast on my boat fits and measures well and clearly has been with it for many years. the top band to gooseneck is 5600 and the sail is 5300.( that's 5300 stretched banged out on the table and it has elastic luff rope - it;'ll be 50mm longer now than when it was new!!) As a newcomer to 12's  it a surprise to discover that that the lower band and the gooseneck can be in two very different places. if I tie the tack of the main in a 'sensible' place it's a foot short at the top and even with the tack say 80mm above the gooseneck the ridiculous foot skirt is half a yard below the boom. It'll do for now - I've let a bit in across it and once I get sorted and have a few sails in it I'll make a proper rig for it- the holt allen delta with it is a nice mast but it weighs in at 10.5 kilos!!. I would've liked to have gone down for a look about at the Burton but it's the very same dates as the Ok Nationals but Hopefully we'll meet sometime at an event. Cheers Roibbo

hi kevan,
I hope you are well. This Robbo is Alan Robinson ( he sometime sailmaker as in Performance) yep we all got older !! I can see why you might sneak 100mm at the gooseneck by way of measured area . i.e. put the boom on the 380mm and then have the tack and the lower band a bit above it thereby giving you a smaller measured area than is actually really the case. But not 350mm- actually if I measure the luff as from the gooseneck to the upper band (and the gooseneck at a quick look would be about the 380mm and then work the main area on the mast and boom bands  - 5.6 x 2.2 divided by 2  and then add it to the 2.24 sq M of the jib it's bang on 8.4 sqM . - What led me ask the question was given that both the mainsails I have came off a boat sail number 3220 did/have boats gone to a shorter mast length . I had no plans to make any sails -just thought I'd get a nice old boat and clean it up and teach my grandson ( he's 5 and a half now) in a proper boat down on the river but I can see myself getting sucked into this all over again . Cheers and thanks for your help. Robbo  p.s. what I've done for now is slashed the oldest main (they're both mylar) accross just below the bottom batten and let in a 300mm piece of of Dacron -yea I know the batten pockets are then well out of position but interestingly apart from being 35mm too wide at the half height it measures - which leads me to think that boat 3220 must have had a massive jib !! -it's like running in the fog -loadsa fun but no idea where you are !!

Sorry that should have said BOAT not boast

Hi - Robbo here. having just bought boat number 2938 (Magnificat/Proctorpuss) I might have just made it to Burton but as it's motor racing at Snetterton that weekend plus I've now got the deck varnish stripped back it's not going to happen- Also I've bumped a real dilema ( and I thought maybee this forum just might point me right as it's all old boast stuff -yes?) The two mains (Ulmans) I got with it don't anyway fit the mast ( Holt Allen delta). the tack is a good 350mm above the gooseneck. I'm not sure about one main but the other is definitely from a newer boat but they lay on top of each other evenly. BEFORE I get the scissors or the hacksaw out and do things the 'wrong way' - can anyone give me a guide to the current thinking on the distance between the mast bands. My mast boom/head bands are 5600-  Cheers  ( Trent valley in Sept looks good and it's just up the road !)  Incidentally I'm planning on sailing this Cheshire cat on the river at Severn SC where incidentally another nicely restored 12 (Chain lightning) is a regular top handicap boat.  cheers

Yes it WAS - picking it up tomorrow Friday June 10th. planning on sailing it down the club at Severn (where chain lightning is sailed also) my wife has surprisingly agreed to crew for me having never done so before in the 48 year I've known her !! Robbo