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Hi Mark, i sent another email equipped with some contact details to you, also thedodger, is it possible my email to you (or response) had the same problem :-/? Thanks again for all the support and offers we've received, this is one of the friendliest class associations i've ever seen!! 



EDIT: just checked with my email service provider (the RYA) and it seems that their server is currently down 

i was wondering about this myself and so did some googling and found some results that may be useful at: http://www.laserforum.org/removing-sail-numbers-t1786.html which has a few different methods... Dave

thanks for loooking thedodger, ive sent you an email with my contact details, Dave

thanks everyone for all of the support, advice and really warm welcome!! I think at the moment we are going to just use a sheet of PVC (thats what the boat was shrouded in when we found it) and i have looked into the bits section, particularly the set of Alderbank sails which look perfect for us. Couldn't agree more with Crusader about the helpfulness of the forum and the website. (and crusader and everyone else competing, good luck at Olton Mere on sat!)

Thanks, we're at Bury Lake in Hertfordshire, really only a small puddle but a great club with a good atmosphere! Cant wait to get the boat finish and start doing events Dave

Hi everyone, forum newbie here saying hi! Me and my friend have just acquired 2859 (dogmatic) which we found dumped in the back of the boat park at our sailing club. Unfortunately theres some important bits missing!! We have 2 suits of sails for it, however, they are both completely knackered, and we dont have a top cover. Is there anyone with any of these bits (second hand) who would be willing to part with them? (we are willing to pay but being only 17 and 18 we cant afford brand new ones!!). By the way, if any one is interested we have a blog detailing our restoration of the 12 at dogmatic2859.blogspot.com. Thanks in advance, Dave 

Dogmatic is a 1975 National 12 built by amateur builder Tim Tomlinson to his Greyhound design. There were in total 5 Greyhound boats constructed between 1974 and 1975, of which Dogmatic is the third.

The early part of Dogmatics History was provided by John Murrell of the National 12 Class Assocition, the rest was sourced by us, mostly by asking around. John Says: Looking at the old class handbooks, she has always been called Dogmatic.

The handbooks from 1975 - 1978 list the owner as I A Rice (he was an association member) and I believe sailed at either Northampton or Middle Nene. In 1979 the boat changed to G J Oxley of Halifax. My 1980 handbook is missing but in 1981 she is listed as being owned by Cheltenham College SC and the last Handbook I have which still listed owners is the 1984 one which again shows Cheltenham as the owner.

The history of Dogmatic from where we picked up begins with St Clement Danes School in Hertfordshire, where she was purchased as a school sailing boat by the headmaster at the time Peter Conway. There it was frequently sailed by Phil Cobby who maintained her in his lunch times. Phil resprayed the original orange hull white using his dad's car automotive garage (circa '95) which is the colour it is atm.

After being owned by the school there is a slight hazy patch in the boats history, however we believe that she found her way into the hands of Nick Edwards. There she lay until 2005 when she was found abandoned in the BLYM Boat park and adopted by Paul Knight and Steve Swinchett.
Paul and Steve took the boat into their care and soon had it into a functional national 12, not going to win any races soon but definately sailable. They too soon lost interest in the boat and Dave Blakesley and Dave Langston took charge of it (me, current owner).

We got hold of Dogmatic after a quick phone call to paul who donated her to us. She is now located at my house in Amersham, Buckinghamshire.
For photos and details of Mine and Daves restoration of Dogmatic, please visit our website at dogmatic2859.blogspot.com. This history has been copied and pasted from our site. Please feel free to email me with any history/details about dogmatic!